Fobes, John

Edward married Howard, Elizabeth about 1683 in Bridgewater, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA. Elizabeth (daughter of Howard, John and Hayward, Martha) was born about 1655 in Plymouth, Plymouth Co., Massachusetts, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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JOHN FOBES, by tradition, son of Rev. John Forbes; born in Scotland soon after 1600; grew up in Holland, it is said, where he acquired a soft accent resulting in the recording of the name as Vobes, or Ffobes & finally FOBES; one of fifteen young men who landed in Duxbury, Plymouth Co., MA, in 1636; indentured to Isaac Allerton, richest man in Plymouth Colony, to pay for passage; in 1637 was known to be at Powder point, also at Green Harbor; granted land at Powder Point, built a home and lived there five years; a tailor by trade; married before Bridgewater, Constant Mitchell, (daughter of Thomas Mitchell and Margaret Vochin), who was born in Leyden, Holland, (after the birth in 1609 of an older brother Experience Mitchell who came to America on 3rd ship, the ANN, in 1623); he appears in list of men able to bear arms 1643; became an original proprietor in 1645 of Bridgewater, MA; made a "freeman" with voting rights in 1645 (indicating he was not originally a member of the English Puritan Church); a man of standing and local influence; Constable in 1651 and a juror in 1659; he died 1660; his wife married second in 1662, John Briggs 1609-1690, of Portsmouth, R I., Commissioner to R I Court 1654-56, 59, 61-63, when she was about 45-50 years old.

The name FOBES is thus an AMERICAN name and one can expect that all who bear the name are descended from the above immigrant ancestor John.

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Buried:
Sandwich, Bristol

John married Mitchell, Constant in 1637 in Bridgewater, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA. Constant (daughter of Mitchell, Thomas and Williams, Margaret) was born in 1614 in Leyden, Holland; died in in Bridgewater, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA; was buried in Bridgewater, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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John Howard, with his brother James, came from England and settled in
Duxbury; he was among those able to bear arms there in 1643. James, it
is said, went to Bermuda, and John came to W. B., and was one of the
proprietors and original settlers in the town a. 1651; was young when
he came over, and it is said, lived in Capt. Miles Standish's family;
was a man of much influence in the new plantation; one of the first
military officers in Bridgewater; took the oath of fidelity here 1657;
his descendants still own and live on the place where he first
settled; he always wrote his name Haward, and so did all his
descendants till after 1700, and the early town records are
conformable to this spelling; but for the last century it has been
invariably written Howard. It is remarkable that the two names of
Hayward and Haward, which have always been known as distinct families,
were uniformly pronounced alike, Howard. They were perhaps the same
originally, and both Hayward; but, in writing, John omitted the Y.
There was supposed to have been some connection between the families,
but perhaps it arose altogether from intermarriage, as John m. Martha
, D. of Thos. Hayward, and was a younger man even that Thomas Hayward,
Jr.--He d. about 1700.--He had John, James, Jonathan, Elizabeth,
Sarah, Bethiah, Ephraim.--Elizabeth m. Edward Fobes.--Sarah m.
Zaccheus Packard.--Bethiah m. Henry Kingman.--He was licensed to keep
an Ordinary or Tavern as early as 1670, and it is remarkable that a
public house has been kept there by his descendants ever since till
within a few years.

,, p. 147. Immigrant ancestor to Duxbury, MA,prior to 1643, later moving to Bridgewater.

John married Hayward, Martha on 6 Apr 1657 in Dennis, Barnstable Co., MA. Martha (daughter of Hayward, Thomas and Towne, Susanna) was born about 1635 in Aylesford, Kent, England; died before 15 Oct 1701 in Plymouth Co., Massachusetts, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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REV JOHN FORBES, 1568 (?)-1634; son of William Forbes born 1530 and Elizabeth daughter of Sir Alexander Strachan, Laird of Thornton; degree 1583 University of St. Andrews; ordained minister of Alford 1593; received by King James of Bngland 1605 and granted favor for the church; July 1605 appointed head of the general assenbly of the Presbyterian Church of Scotland; King James however concluded that the Presbyterian Church was becoming too strong from his Episcopalian viewpoint and issued an order banning future assemblies; nineteen preachers felt a firm stand must be taken and met with Rev Forbes Moderator; they declined to appear before a privy council and Forbes and five others were imprisioned, tried for high treason, found guilty by a packed jury and banished from the king's domain.

While a man of considerable estate, he calmly and deliberately gave up home, estate and position for the principle of separation of church and state. The exiles sailed from Leith to Bordeaux 7 November 1606. On reaching France, Forbes visited Boyd of Trochrig at Saumer and then went on to Sedan. Traveled for some years visiting reformed churches and universities. In 1611 he was settled as pastor of a British Congregation at Middleburg, Holland. Soon after he was released from banishment on terms which he could not accept. In 1616 he was in London where King Janes pronised to revoke his sentance of exile but never did.

After a ten year ministry at Middleburg he became pastor of the British Church at Delft, Holland, twelve miles from the pilgrim church at Leyden. By 1628 Charles I began to interfere with the English and Scottish churches in Holland and Forbes was ultimately removed as pastor. He died 1634, aged about 66. In his later years he became bishop in the Episcopal Church much to the dismay of his Presbyterian brethern. He married Christian, daughter of Barclay of Mavers.

Their sons Arthur and John were colonels in the Dutch service. Son Patrick became Bishop of Caithness, and son James became minister of Abecorn. All three daughters married in Scotland.

Many of the thirty-five thousand forced out of England in these times by religious intolerance left Holland because their children were becoming more Dutch than English. Many of Pilgrims from Leyden left for this reason. It is natural to suppose that the immigrant John Po(r)bes knew the Pilgrims of the area who had not left in 1620 with the first group. At any rate he apparently came to America with the last of Rev. Robinson's flock in 1636.

Having acquired a soft Dutch accent during his nearly 25 years in Holland it can be assumed that the English recorders of Plymouth would record the name as Vobes or Ffobes as they heard it.

Family traditions recorded in the earlier days and the reversion of many of the descendents to the name Forbes bear out this story. While history has recorded the fortunes of his brothers, John seems to have been missed in the available records. This tie is circumstantial and cannot be accepted as proven.

The coat of Arms with the motto "Grace Me Guide", the three boars heads, and crested with a deers head with ten tynes, is the Lord Forbes coat of arms and was verified several times in the years 1900 to 1952, with old parchment copies viewed which may have been drawn in the 1700's. It has had wide acceptance as the proper family arms by those in America for many years and appears in several branches of the family which are unknown to each other in this day.

(Reference Dictionary of National Biography pg 401 and History of Scotland by Andrew Lang, Vol II, pg 481-488). (53).

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John married Barclay, Christian in 1575. Christian (daughter of Barclay, Laird of Mathers George and Erskine, Mary) was born in 1557 in Of Mathers, Kincardine, Scotland, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Thomas married Williams, Margaret in 1568 in Of Cambridge, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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John came from England to Duxbury, Massachusetts at age 15.

James married Cooper, Mary. Mary was born about 1604. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Thomas and Susanna Hayward left County Kent, either Maidstone or
Aylesford, in 1634, from Sandwich aboard the Hercules, under command
of Capt. John Weyherly, bound for the plantation called New England.
They settled, with five children in Ipswich, MA He was a tailor.
Cecil McDonald Howard
USA - Thursday, September 25, 1997 at 10:23:43 (EDT)
Thomas Hayward with his wife Susanna, came from Aylesford, England.In
1635 they came to the colonies on the "Hercules" and settled in
Duxbury around 1638. He might have come as early as 1632 on the
"William and Francis" and then returned to England before his
finaltrip in 1635. He was one of the original proprietors of
Bridgewater.He had Thomas; Nathaniel; John, m. Sarah Mitchell; Joseph,
m. Alice Brett and Hannah Mitchell; Elisha; Mary, m. Edward Mitchell;
Martha,m. John Howard. He had a brother John who settled first in
Plymouth,and afterwards in Dartmouth. He was made a freeman in 1646.
His will was dated 1678.

Info from Warren Alieff, 4 Aug 88, who obtained it from charts by Alice Brown, a friend of Annie Drummond Rogers.

Thomas married Towne, Susanna before 1632 in Aylesford, Essex, England. Susanna (daughter of Towne, William and Blessing, Joanna (Jone)) was born before 20 Oct 1625; was christened on 20 Oct 1625 in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England; died in 1678 in Bay Colony, MA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Some sources list Susannah as the daughter of William Towne and Joanna
Blessing, born Abt. 1625.